Obama the Antichrist?

So I heard Obama could be the Antichrist? That's wierd, I thought that guy was coming from Russia, I mean the Middle East, I mean China, wait....

I get it, now that an African American has a real shot at becoming president, the Antichrist is coming from the South Side.

Wait a second, you guys are just trying scare me into voting for the bald white guy with the hot wife. You tricksters you...

Apprising Ministries

Hey everyone. Here's a recent dialogue I had with Ken Silva, president of Apprising Ministries. (www.apprisingministries.com) Enjoy!

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Lattimore
To: apprising@hughes.net
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Article idea


Hey Pastor,

I've been reading your website lately and would love to see an article on your take of the life of Jesus, his message, etc... Maybe a breakdown of the sermon on the mount.

I know your busy but I would love to see it.

Thanks so much!

In Him,
Nate


From: apprising@hughes.net
To: natelattimore@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Article idea
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:35:11 -0400


Hey Nate,

Thank you for contacting Apprising Ministries. Just so you know, I wasn't born yesterday.

If you really wanted an article on the life of Jesus, His Message, etc. there are scores and scores of ministries on the Internet from which you can choose. And here's one of the very best sites on the web: http://www.gty.org/

So go for it Nate, knock yourself out. But here's a li'l tip for ya: In the future don't underestimate the intellect of those whom you write. This is because you might not be as clever as you may happen to think you are.

Thanks so much!

For Christ's honor I labor,

Pastor Ken Silva
President
Apprising Ministries
http://apprising.org/
Ezekiel 3:7-14


From: Nate Lattimore
To: Apprising Ministries
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: RE: Article idea


I'm sorry Pastor Silva,

I realize there are numerous websites explaining the life of Jesus. I'm just trying to get your take on it. It seems as though everyone else's view on Jesus is wrong, I'm just wanting to hear your right view.

Thanks for taking me seriously, and don't be afraid to smile.

Have a stress free and blessed day.

Nate

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From: apprising@hughes.net
To: natelattimore@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Article idea
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:09:26 -0400


Hey no problem there Nate,

I figured someone with your obviously superior erudition (I had no idea what this word meant, so I looked it up. It's defined as: extensive knowledge acquired chiefly from books : profound, recondite, or bookish learning) would know "there are numerous websites explaining the life of Jesus." You'll pardon me if I don't believe that you do actually want to hear my take on His life.

But here's where your logic breaks down unfortunately: "It seems as though everyone else's view on Jesus is wrong, I'm just wanting to hear your right view." Note carefully what I said, ok Nate:
If you really wanted an article on the life of Jesus, His Message, etc. there are scores and scores of ministries on the Internet from which you can choose. And here's one of the very best sites on the web: http://www.gty.org/
Do you think I'm going to send you to someone whose view on Jesus is wrong? And if I say this is one of the very best sites to learn about the life of Jesus then it logically follows that I do not think "everyone else's view on Jesus is wrong."

So if you seriously do want to hear the "right view" about the life of Jesus then you may listen to Dr. John MacArthur. O, and don't be afraid to be a bit more serious Nate. A little stress actually produces character and perseverance.

May the Lord open your eyes that you might see the dark red sky this morning and recognize the time in which you live. I am afraid this is only the beginning and should the Lord tarry things are going to get mighty rough spiritually in the days ahead. You may believe me when I tell you that I sincerely wish I had better news.

Sincerely,

Ken Silva, pastor-teacher

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Lattimore
To: Apprising Ministries
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: Article idea


Pastor Ken,

Thanks for the email. I'm sorry to say I really would like to hear your take on the life and message of Jesus. I realize there are many good sources in which you find 'trustworthy,' but I don't want to hear theirs. I want to hear yours.

When people ask me who I think Jesus is, or what I believe, I don't point them to a website. I tell them about the Jesus who I know. And I was hoping you would do the same, both for all the fans and opponents of your website.

So if you would be so kind, please, tell us all your take on the life and message of Jesus.

And the Lord did open my eyes today. I awoke to a bright blue sky with a damp scent in the air from the rainfall the night before. I had a half full glass of coffee and was thankful it was Sunday. Then we went to church and sang a song. Let me share the words with you.


It's called Hosanna. It's by hillsong united

Verse 1
I see the king of glory
Coming down the clouds with fire
The whole earth shakes, the whole earth shakes
I see his love and mercy
Washing over all our sin
The people sing, the people sing

Chorus
Hosanna, hosanna
Hosanna in the highest

Verse 2
I see a generation
Rising up to take the place
With selfless faith, with selfless faith
I see a new revival
Staring as we pray and seek
We're on our knees, we're on our knees

Bridge
Heal my heart and make it clean
Open up my eyes to the things unseen
Show me how to love like you have loved me
Break my heart for what is yours
Everything I am for your kingdom's cause
As I walk from earth into eternity

Hosanna

That's what I see, Pastor Silva. The people I meet are beginning to take the very message of Jesus, God on earth, seriously. It's an exciting thing, and I can't help but be joyful for the things to come.



Peace Love Joy
Nate

From: apprising@hughes.net
To: natelattimore@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Article idea
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:07:46 -0400


THE SHADOW OF HIS CROSS http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/03/the_shadow_of_h.html

TO BE KNOWN BY NAME http://www.apprising.org/archives/2005/11/to_be_known_by.html

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Lattimore
To: Apprising Ministries
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: Article idea


Thanks for that. That wasn't so hard was it?

Peace,
Nate

From: apprising@hughes.net
To: natelattimore@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Article idea
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:09:29 -0400


Nate,

There's a whole lot more to what I do in the Lord than Apprising Ministries.

And as a pastor I caution you to check your attitude.

For Christ's honor I labor,

Pastor Ken Silva
President
Apprising Ministries
http://apprising.org/
Ezekiel 3:7-14

General Editor
Christian Research Net
http://christianresearchnetwork.com/
2 Corinthians 11:12-15

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Lattimore
To: Apprising Ministries
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Article idea


Bro,

I'm a pk, I know the life of the pastor/missionary and how busy and overwhelming it can be.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by attitude? I genuinely wanted to get your take on the life/message of Jesus.

I suggest you take a good hard unbiased look at the dialogue we've had, and if you're honest with yourself, you'll see who has the attitude.

Brother Nate Lattimore
President
The Grappling group
www.grapplinggroup.blogspot.com
I John 4:20

Re: Article idea
From: Apprising Ministries (apprising@hughes.net)
Sent:Mon 6/16/08 7:51 PM
To: Nate Lattimore (natelattimore@hotmail.com


Nate,

You said: "I'm not sure I understand what you mean by attitude?"

This has become painfully obvious.

Ken Silva

Dear God by XTC

Here's a song from back in the '80s by a band called XTC. It's been getting some play on a local station here in west Michigan. The lyrics are blatantly anti-God. I just think it's interesting that the song says over and over that the author doesn't believe in God. But the rest of the lyrics go on to blame all the problems on God.

Let me know what you think.




Dear God
Lyric by: Andy Partridge



Dear God,
hope you got the letter, and...
I pray you can make it better down here.
I don't mean a big reduction in the price of beer
but all the people that you made in your image, see
them starving on their feet 'cause they don't get
enough to eat from God, I can't believe in you

Dear God, sorry to disturb you, but... I feel that I should be heard
loud and clear. We all need a big reduction in amount of tears
and all the people that you made in your image, see them fighting
in the street 'cause they can't make opinions meet about God,
I can't believe in you

Did you make disease, and the diamond blue? Did you make
mankind after we made you? And the devil too!

Dear God, don't know if you noticed, but... your name is on
a lot of quotes in this book, and us crazy humans wrote it, you
should take a look, and all the people that you made in your
image still believing that junk is true. Well I know it ain't, and
so do you, dear God, I can't believe in I don't believe in

I won't believe in heaven and hell. No saints, no sinners, no
devil as well. No pearly gates, no thorny crown. You're always
letting us humans down. The wars you bring, the babes you
drown. Those lost at sea and never found, and it's the same the
whole world 'round. The hurt I see helps to compound that
Father, Son and Holy Ghost is just somebody's unholy hoax,
and if you're up there you'd perceive that my heart's here upon
my sleeve. If there's one thing I don't believe in

it's you... Dear God.

New Book

Hey guys,

Any suggestions for a new book?

Just War

How are we to respond to the idea that there are NO just wars? There is a conclusion that even WWII was not something to get involved in.

Some good quotes to discuss

1. "Christianity is at its best when it is peculiar, marginalized, suffering, and at it's worst when it is popular, credible, triumphant, and powerful." p. 164

2. "To say that we must kill our enemies and join the popular project to "rid the world of evil" is to call Jesus unrealistic." p. 166

3. "The danger is that we can begin to read the Bible through the eyes of America rather than read America through the eyes of the Bible. We just want Jesus to be a good American." p. 194

Do you think the American Church is guilty of quote 3?

What about Jesus being considered unrealistic? Is that the case, or is just a different time frame?

Revelation

So I am slowly but surely making my way through the book and it hasn't gotten on the political bent that I anticipated from the start. I do think it is working its way there though. I am on page 153 or so and getting into the part where he talks about the book of Revelation.

Is it just me or are you really upset about what you were taught as a child in regards to this book?

I avoided the book when I was little because it scared me so bad, but if his interpretation is correct it was all for naught. I'm not happy about this.

-LD

Easter's Challenge to Empire (by N.T. Wright

Jesus came with a job to do, to complete the work to which Israel was called. This work, from the call of Abraham onwards, was to put the human race to rights, and so to put the whole creation to rights. As the gospel writers tell the story, this task was to be accomplished by Jesus bringing about the sovereign healing rule of the creator God. Jesus was addressing the question, "What might it look like if God was running this show?" And answering, "This is what it looks like: just watch." And then, "just listen." In what he did, and in the stories he told, Jesus was announcing and inaugurating what he referred to as "the kingdom of God," the long-awaited hope that the creator God would run the whole show, on earth as in heaven.

But the problem was, and is, that other people are still running the show. Other kingdoms, other power structures, have usurped the rule of the world's wise creator, and the forces of evil are exceedingly powerful and destructive. Jesus' task of inaugurating God's kingdom therefore necessarily led him to meet those forces in direct combat, to draw upon himself their full, dark fury so as to exhaust their power and make a way through to launch the creator's project of new creation despite them. That is one clue at least to the meaning of Jesus' crucifixion, though that event, planting the sign of God's kingdom in the middle of space, time, and matter, remains inexhaustible. But let's be clear. As the gospels tell the story, Jesus' death was the culmination of several different strands: a political process, a religious clash, a spiritual war, all rushing together into one terrible day, one terrible death. And in the light of that, according to Jesus himself and his first followers, everything in the world looks different, is different, must be approached differently. With Jesus' death, the power structures of the world were called to account; with his resurrection, a new life, a new power, was unleashed upon the world. And the question is: How ought this to work out? What should we be doing as a result?

If we are to think Christianly, then we must think according to the pattern of Jesus Christ. And that means that the first place we should look for God in the "War on Terror" would be in the smoldering ruins of the Twin Towers, and then in the ruins of Baghdad and Basra, the shattered homes and lives of the tens of thousands who have through no fault of their own been in the wrong place at the wrong time, as the angry superpower, like a rogue elephant teased by a little dog, has gone on the rampage stamping on everything that moves in the hope of killing the dog by killing everything within reach. The presence of God within the world at a time of war must be calibrated according to what Paul says in Romans 8, that the Spirit groans within God's people as they groan with the pain of the world. The cross of Jesus Christ is the sign and the assurance that the God who made the world still loves the world and, in that love, groans and grieves.

But God wants his rebel world to be ordered, to be under authorities and governments, because otherwise the bullies and the arrogant will always prey on the weak and the helpless; but all authorities and governments face the temptation to become bullies and arrogant themselves. The New Testament writers, like other Jews at the time, saw this writ large in the Roman empire of their day. Those with eyes to see can see it in other subsequent empires, right down to our own day.

It is the task of the followers of Jesus to remind those called to authority that the God who made the world intends to put the world to rights at last, and to call those authorities to acts of justice and mercy which will anticipate, in the present time, the future, coming, final victory of God over all evil, all violence, all arrogant abuse of power. And where the world's rulers genuinely strive for that end, the Christian church declares as the ancient Jews did with the pagan king Cyrus, that God's Spirit is at work—whether the authorities know it or not.

Insofar as the last five years have constituted a wake-up call to sleepy western Christians to think urgently about issues of global justice and governance, we can see God, I believe, in that new stirring, warning us that we have a task and that we haven't been doing it too well. In particular, we must face the deeply ambiguous question of the present power and position of America. I am not anti-American when I criticise some policies of some American leaders, any more than I am anti-British when I criticise some of the policies of my own elected leaders. To suggest otherwise is simply a cheap way of avoiding the real questions. The creator God allows societies to rise and fall, empires to grow and wane. And though things are massively more complicated than this, we could see in the rise of America as the current sole superpower some great possibilities for bringing justice and mercy, genuine freedom and prosperity, to the whole world. Empires always carry that possibility. But empires also face the temptation to use their power for their own prestige and wealth. The challenge now is to provide a critique of American empire without implying that the world should collapse into anarchy, and a fresh sense of direction for that empire without colluding with massive abuses of power.

Where then is God in the war on terror? Grieving and groaning within the pain and horror of his battered but still beautiful world. Stirring in the hearts of human beings the desire for a more credible structure of global justice and mercy. Burning into the imagination of human beings a hope that peace and reconciliation might eventually win out over suspicion and hatred, that the world may be put to rights and that we may anticipate that in the present time. The Christian gospel, revealing the mysterious God we discover in Jesus and the Spirit, offers a framework for discerning where God is at work in the midst of the dangers and opportunities that confront us. All of us in our different callings are summoned to this task; some of you, perhaps, to make it your life's work. Jesus is Lord. The Spirit is powerful. God is doing a new thing. Let's get out there and join in.

Dr. N.T. Wright is a New Testament theologian and the Bishop of Durham in the Church of England. He is the author of many books, including Surprised by Hope, and Evil and the Justice of God. This post is adapted from his lecture "Where is God in ‘The War on Terror?'" and is used with permission by the author.

Easter

It's probably taken a lot longer than it should have, but this year I've come to realize that Easter is the greatest time of the year.

It's filled with candy, awesome colors, and the easter bunny. Just kidding.

It's the time of year when we remember and reflect on the single most important event in the history of the world! The death and ressurection of Jesus.

The crazy thing about it is people gave up all hope when He was hung on the cross. They thought they'd been dooped by another crazy man who promised them a better way. But 3 days later, He rises from dead, granting all of humanity the possibility for a better way.

So enjoy your peeps, fake grass, and candy eggs, but don't forget the reason for the season. :-)

Christmas is nice, but Easter, that's what it's all about.

Would Jesus vote?

So the basis for my interest in reading this book is that for the past few months as the election draws near I have been torn in my thoughts. As stupid as it sounds the commercial phrase "What Would Jesus Do" keeps resonating in my head. I have asked pretty much every professional religious person I know what I should do and asked the question:

Would Jesus vote?

The views have been varying as expected although the right to vote has been maintained by all. One persons response was to vote along with their personal experience making them, in most cases, a single issue voter. Another followed the concept that they try to vote for the person who would bring the greatest good to the largest amount of people. It was also a common conclusion that indeed Jesus probably would not vote. We are limited in our knowledge of Jesus' complete decision process, but we do know the following stories:

Matthew 22:15-22 (biblegateway.com)
15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" 18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
21"Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." 22When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away.

Matthew 17:24-27 (biblegateway.com)
24After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"
25"Yes, he does," he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"
26"From others," Peter answered. "Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him. 27"But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."

In these passages Jesus spurns the idea of dealing with taxes/money, we can resolve that it is an earthly concept. Further, we can probably come to a reasonable conclusion that it is an earthly requirement to deal with these issues ourselves. Of course this is all followed by:

Romans 13:1-7 (biblegateway.com)
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

My early conclusion is that of course Jesus would not vote and would not concern himself with the matter. Of course my reason for asking this question is to arrive at the point that if we are to live like Jesus, literally, what should our decision be?

-LD Jackson

Jesus For President

Hey, if you guys want, pick up a copy of Jesus For President. We'll be discussing this book for a little while.

We'll continue to be reading books, so if any of you have any suggestions on great books, let us know.